My google-fu is weak today. I cannot find a Dutch(?) folktale. One of the trencher prints refers to a fable I can't remember and can't find. The British Museum says this group is from Aesop, but I can't find it the collections I've checked (The hedgehog and the rabbit; a trencher copied from Gheeraerts's illustrations to Aesop). Can anybody give me a summary of the tale with a moral someting like:
The cunny help the hedgehogs dovt | the hedgehoge keeps the cvnny out | Wher by it may be notet | Will gave som a inch theyll tak a nell
The bunny helps the hedgehogs out | The hedgehog keeps the bunny out | Where by it may be noted, | Will give some a inch, they will take a yard.
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Date: 2010-05-26 10:46 pm (UTC)If it is Dutch, I'd ask coquinaria ... http://coquinaria.livejournal.com/profile
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Date: 2010-05-26 10:53 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-05-26 11:13 pm (UTC)right cast, wrong story & century
Date: 2010-05-26 11:37 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-05-26 11:38 pm (UTC)http://www.calendersign.com/en/am_hare_hedgehog.php
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Date: 2010-05-26 11:40 pm (UTC)Thanks for searching!
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Date: 2010-05-26 11:43 pm (UTC)Thanks for searching!
well, it's Aesop, and it's got a hedgehog, but this time with a fox and ticks...
Date: 2010-05-26 11:45 pm (UTC)Re: well, it's Aesop, and it's got a hedgehog, but this time with a fox and ticks...
Date: 2010-05-26 11:51 pm (UTC)*ducking and running for cover*
Date: 2010-05-27 12:02 am (UTC)Acquisition: Unabridged and Fully Annotated. With all 47 Commentaries,
all 900 Major and Minor Judgments, all 10,000 Considered Opinions
http://www.stinsv.com/DSn/roa.htm
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Date: 2010-05-27 04:44 am (UTC)Aleit might be able to help with translation bits, but she's in Germany for the next several weeks. Her lj is allison_is if you want to try to message her.
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Date: 2010-05-27 05:07 am (UTC)The Hedgehog is a farmer who one fine Autumn Sunday morning goes for a walk in his fields to see how his turnips are growing. While out in the field he encounters the Hare. The Hare, while a gentleman, is also cruel and arrogant. He ignores the Hedgehog's friendly greeting and instead asks what he is doing out so early. "Going for a walk" replied the Hedgehog. "Walking? On those short, crooked things? They're better fit to crawl." sneered the Hare. This galled the Hedgehog who replied, " I bet I can outrun you in a foot race" "You? With your crooked legs?" said the Hare. "That's laugh. But if you are of such a mind, what will you bet?" "Ten gold ducats and a bottle of brandy! replied the Hedghog. "But first I must go home and eat a little breakfast as I have not yet had anything to eat." The Hare agreed and awaited the Hedgehog's return.
The Hedgehog went home and told his wife to dress in his other clothes, go to the far end of his field, lie down in the furrow, and when the Hare approached cry out 'I'm already here'. She went to the far end of the field and the Hedgehog went to the Hare and said 'Let's begin". The Hare dashed off while the Hedgehog ran three steps fell flat into the furrow. The reached the end of the field where he saw the hedgehog's wife who cried out, "I'm already here". "That's very strange" said the Hare. "Let's do it again!" So off he sped leaving the hedgehog's wife sitting there. The hedgehog, seeing the Hare approach jumped up and cried out, "I'm already here!" The Hare flew into a rage, yelled "AGAIN!", and sped off. And again the Hedgehog's wife cried out, "I'm already here!" This repeated for 73 time. On the 74th time, the Hare dropped dead in the middle of the field, blood pouring from his nose. The Hedgehog and his wife took the ten ducats and the bottle of brandy and went home happy.
There are two morals to this tale. No one, be he so refined should make fun of his lessors. And secondly, it is good to marry someone much like oneself. "Who is a hedgehog, then, must see to it that his wife is also a hedgehog."
Here's a parody of the fable:
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Date: 2010-05-27 06:11 pm (UTC)I've gone through both the Dutch, (1567), and the French, (1578), version of Gheeraerts's fables. (They're online at the University of Leiden's website: (Dutch http://www.let.leidenuniv.nl/Dutch/Renaissance/Facsimiles/DeDeneFabulen1567/index.htm) and French http://www.let.leidenuniv.nl/Dutch/Renaissance/Facsimiles/HeynsEsbatiment1587/index.htm) and I could not find an illustration that resembled that of the trencher print. Will continue to hunt.
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Date: 2010-05-27 06:19 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2010-05-27 06:54 pm (UTC)"There are few people who have not heard of the hedgehog, who, after being permitted to enter the abode of the snake for a temporary shelter, refused to quit his comfortable habitation."
This is from _The Weekly Visitor_ published in London 1833 by the Religious Tract Society. I'll next try to run this version back in time.
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Date: 2010-05-27 07:05 pm (UTC)wow, I really can't spell
Date: 2010-05-27 07:07 pm (UTC)Thanks for all the good ideas!
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Date: 2010-05-27 07:17 pm (UTC)A hedgehog, sensing that winter was coming, nicely asked the viper if she would grant him a place in her own den against the force of the winter cold. When the viper did this, the hedgehog, as he rolled this way and that, stung the viper with the shape end of his spines and tormented her with a sharp pain. The viper, seeing that she had gotten herself into trouble when she took the hedgehog into her lodging, asked him, nicely, to leave, since the place was too narrow for the both of them. The hedgehog replied: Let the one go out who is unable to remain here. As a result the viper, realizing that there was no place for her there, yield to him as regards the lodging. This fable shows that we should not admit into our company those who are able to toss us out.
This is from Latin learning site:
http://eclassics.ning.com/profiles/blogs/727885:BlogPost:5226
There is an online facsimile of the 1499 edition of Abstemius at:
http://diglib.hab.de/wdb.php?pointer=0&dir=inkunabeln%2F171-28-quod-9&changeToXML=&changeToXSL=&end=63&imgtyp=0&distype=struc-img&size=1571&lang=en
Done.
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